I think the root of what women consider “bad” is you either break the rules or make your own, or are perceived to do so, a la many male movie stars. At the end of the day, I think “bad” to women just means she’s not sure she can have you or tame you, hence why the (perceived) harem works. Add ballsy moves in the face of trouble and you’ve got badass in the making to most girls. 91 jf12 says: May 9, 2014 at 5:25 pm #90 “any way you slice it, if being a giver, putting others first “worked” re: sexual attraction, there would be no need to debate what constitutes being good at being “bad”.” Excellent point that cannot be emphasized enough. Once it becomes clear that generally darker works better than lighter, it’s kind of silly, when you think about it, to put forth the effort to try to find ways or circumstances in which the 43rd shade of gray might work better than the darker 44th shade. 92 jf12 says: May 9, 2014 at 5:39 pm @jakes re: “most girls”. This is the standard pov of any woman, when talking to a nice guy about a Bad Boy: AnyWoman: “I’m glad you’re not like Him. Not all women are attracted to the way He is. For example, I’m not. I wish He were more like you.” https://bit.ly/3O6jXqR https://bit.ly/4asNIcK https://bit.ly/4rhqCx5 https://bit.ly/3MotUPO https://bit.ly/3Mucb9t https://bit.ly/4atKaXx https://bit.ly/3MtxlVp https://bit.ly/4ar2hNR